Shanghaiist Likes Me! (I think)

Seems I've been mentioned on Shanghaiist for that Tongren Road incident. The comments, while most are pretty fair, some I see have people living in this city with their proverbial rose-tinted glasses. I agree, Shanghai is a VERY safe city. This was the ONLY time I've ever been involved in an incident like this. But I'm not the only one.

From China Daily forums 2 years ago
Most recent from Shanghai Expat
Mine from Shanghai Expat

And we're the ones who actually talked about it. There are a couple more cases that I know of where the parties involved won't talk about it.

So was I fair? Was I wrong? Let's see:
(from the comments on Shanghaiist)

Are you sure the guys getting the shit beat out of them (not the ATM guy) didn't have it coming? People who end up in that situation have *usually* done something provocative.
As for me, I jumped in AFTER someone else started getting the shit beat out of him. And as I've said before, I've no clue what he did, nor a clue who he was. All I know is it looked VERY bad.

Tongren lu close to yanan lu is a hole. If you are going to pay for the drinks, you might as well go somewhere classy because drink prices are pretty standard across the city. Really I dont have a lot of pity for people who go there, and no love for the bars tolerating the bums right outside their doors.agree, hence why I frequent places like British Bulldog, Castle Oktober, Big Bamboo and... Malones American Cafe, which just happens to be on Tongren Road & my particular destination that night.

"Shanghai is still a VERY safe place - just don't go to seedy bars late and night. And if you do, just keep your wits about you."

That advice is pretty much applicable inside and outside. Any word if these guys were in the presence of local women? That seems to be rubbing local men the wrong way lately.

beware the boxer rebellion part deux

My wife is Chinese. Should I be afraid to go out with her in public? Trust me, out here in Judytown, we overhear assorted comments from the locals (it's kind of countryside here) but they've never pulled out a chain to make their views heard.

There was an incident in Xi'an where a couple people thought that not only could they steal the Chinese girl from the Laowai, but also take the Laowai girl home. They underestimated Karen's willingness to go home with a drunk Chinese, and, considering how drunk AND rude they were (they joined our table and proceeded to insult all of us while trying to buy Karen & Grace drinks) they also failed to realize that considering how big I am, that my two other friends were even bigger than me. Outside, the three of us got them into a taxi when they came out after us. One jumped into the cab after the girls were in, and tried to tell the taxi driver to go, while punching Karen in the face. That didn't go so well. Never fuck with a hardcore New Yorker. He didn't last long. Then they went after us, failing miserably. We all took a couple shots, but we didn't take a single swing at them. We didn't have to. It'd be like beating up a 10 year old.

Baro... you could not have said it any better. To give money to these "beggers" only encourages more child abuse for the unfortunate kids.

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more.

Sorry but every time I have seen it in person it's been a foreigner who starts shoving, or gets aggressive under the delusion that the little Chinese guy is going to fight them 1-on-1. This is China, no Marques of Queensbury here. My wife and I rarely go out to expat bars anymore because of all the expats who think they are hot shit in China and can grab any girls ass they want- and usually Chinese turn a blind eye to it and let them. So if the guys were really the subject of "random" violence they have my sympathy (we all know those crazy Chinese with their Happy Slapping and..oh wait...) but I've seen a LOT of fellow foreigners who left their manners back west and are just whining about someone getting beat down for behavior that would have gotten them shot back home.

Milo also wrote the same thing on "ColourWolf" on the original post here. Well you know... I grab ALL SORTS of asses in China! And as a matter of fact, I AM hot shit! Oh wait... shouldn't say that, huh? Whining about a beatdown will not be present on my post. Avoiding expat bars because of "hot shit" expats, again, that depends on where you go. Many guys have no problem saying if some girl is a hottie, if they're saying it to the blokes they're with. I certainly don't. But the guys I know also don't go grab-asstic on them either.

And the best one...

So this article is about the fact that some people have gone out late at night to bar areas and entirely allegedly got into *some sort of fracas* in which
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this and that happened.

As if ANYONE who goes to fucking [sic] tong ren road doesn't go there BECAUSE OF THE PROSTITUTES !!!
And then it's usually more BS like "china is changeing"[sic], "expats had better watch out"
rubbish.

The moral of this story, kiddies, is this: ol' skyline will continue to live, work & play in Shanghai, with no fear of what will happen if I stray into the wrong side of town. But if something does happen to someone, don't just jump up onto your moral high-horse & say that we deserved it because we were there "Because of the Prostitutes." You're assuming, Trev. And you obviously can't read. You know what they say if you "ass u me" (except for the "me" part). Enjoy your moral high-horse. But don't fall off.